CC's or NC's?

[oooo35980]

A company that would knowingly ship a product somewhere that it is illegal to buy, sell or even have is automatically shady IMO. Also the fact that I can get CCs for about as much as premium NCs doesn't mean much, I can't afford to exclusively smoke LPs or Padron Annis either, CCs are pretty darn expensive, to me anyway. I'm happy you have good sources and rarely get a shipment intercepted, and I sincerely hope your good fortune continues.
I wish the world were different and I could just go to a b&m, pick up a few CC singles to try and see what all the fuss is about, maybe keep a few for a special occasion if I really really like em. Exactly like I do with the high end NCs, but I can't. For me illegal+expensive makes it a deal breaker, just not worth it.

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

A company that would knowingly ship a product somewhere that it is illegal to buy, sell or even have is automatically shady IMO. Also the fact that I can get CCs for about as much as premium NCs doesn't mean much, I can't afford to exclusively smoke LPs or Padron Annis either, CCs are pretty darn expensive, to me anyway. I'm happy you have good sources and rarely get a shipment intercepted, and I sincerely hope your good fortune continues.
I wish the world were different and I could just go to a b&m, pick up a few CC singles to try and see what all the fuss is about, maybe keep a few for a special occasion if I really really like em. Exactly like I do with the high end NCs, but I can't. For me illegal+expensive makes it a deal breaker, just not worth it.

CC's cost(decent ones, not sh*t) $3-$.....well I dunno some ballers might have ~$600 or so VINTAGE VHTF CC's.

So if you can afford $3-$6 a smoke you could easily smoke exclusively CC's.

If you could go to a B&M and buy them, you wouldn't like the prices. Ask the members that live in other countries.

Many of them technically still get them "illegally". "Discreet" shipping so they don't get hit with taxes.

FWIW

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

A company that would knowingly ship a product somewhere that it is illegal to buy, sell or even have is automatically shady IMO. Also the fact that I can get CCs for about as much as premium NCs doesn't mean much, I can't afford to exclusively smoke LPs or Padron Annis either, CCs are pretty darn expensive, to me anyway. I'm happy you have good sources and rarely get a shipment intercepted, and I sincerely hope your good fortune continues.
I wish the world were different and I could just go to a b&m, pick up a few CC singles to try and see what all the fuss is about, maybe keep a few for a special occasion if I really really like em. Exactly like I do with the high end NCs, but I can't. For me illegal+expensive makes it a deal breaker, just not worth it.

Undertand your feelings, though I disagree with your propostion that shipping to the US automatically makes them "shady". I have met several of these people in person, and consider them upstanding gentlemen.

Possibly someday you will be able to walk into a B&M in the States and buy Cubans...time will tell.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

A company that would knowingly ship a product somewhere that it is illegal to buy, sell or even have is automatically shady IMO.

I fail to see how shipping to paying customers makes them shady. All the online shops I'm aware off fully comply with the export laws of their respective countries. These aren't American companies and therefore they are not bound by, or required to follow, American laws. They are just shipping a product that a customer has requested and paid for. If that customer happens to be an American then the legality, or lack thereof, of the transaction is on the customer side and therefore the responsibility of the customer not the vendor.

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

I fail to see how shipping to paying customers makes them shady. All the online shops I'm aware off fully comply with the export laws of theiShady just means under the table, below board, illegalr respective countries. These aren't American companies and therefore they are not bound by, or required to follow, American laws. They are just shipping a product that a customer has requested and paid for. If that customer happens to be an American then the legality, or lack thereof, of the transaction is on the customer side and therefore the responsibility of the customer not the vendor.

Shady simply means under the table, below board. You don't have to sell drugs on a street corner to be shady. You don't have to be dishonest either. In my opinion shipping product to a place where it is illegal is taking part in a shady deal, especially if it requires "discreet" shipping. To get Cubans in the US you have to show a certain degree of shadiness and disregard the law, so does whoever ships them to you. Hell that might be half the fun.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

Shady simply means under the table, below board. You don't have to sell drugs on a street corner to be shady. You don't have to be dishonest either. In my opinion shipping product to a place where it is illegal is taking part in a shady deal, especially if it requires "discreet" shipping. To get Cubans in the US you have to show a certain degree of shadiness and disregard the law, so does whoever ships them to you. Hell that might be half the fun.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass about your little embargo and vendors outside the US are neither required to obey nor enforce US laws. It's simply impossible to disregard a law that doesn't exist. If you're not breaking any laws then you're not being "shady"... you're serving your customers, and that's just called doing business.

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass about your little embargo and vendors outside the US are neither required to obey nor enforce US laws. It's simply impossible to disregard a law that doesn't exist. If you're not breaking any laws then you're not being "shady"... you're serving your customers, and that's just called doing business.

No need to get so worked up... If you think it isn't shady in any way to ship a product to a place where it is illegal, then I respect your opinion. I don't understand it, but I respect it.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by oooo35980

No need to get so worked up... If you think it isn't shady in any way to ship a product to a place where it is illegal, then I respect your opinion. I don't understand it, but I respect it.

I'm not worked up, I just don't get the mentality that labels a business as "shady" for following all applicable laws. If you feel bound to follow the laws of your country that great but doesn't mean that citizens or businesses belongin to other nationalies should feel the same compunction to uphold your law for you. That's just stupid.